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Victor WARREN
1875 - 1953 (77 years) Has 61 ancestors and one descendant in this family tree.Set As Default Person
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Name Victor WARREN Relationship with Teresa Ann GOATHAM Born 31 Aug 1875 25, Dover Street, Sittingbourne, Kent, England - GRO ref: Gillingham, Victor Warren q4 1875 Milton RD 2a 757; GRO online index shows mother's maiden name as Goatham
The legitimate son of William Charles Gillingham, as indicated by his birth certificate, but I doubt he ever lived with his lawful father. Almost certainly the natural (biological) son of Cubison. The fact his mother / parents were able to give him the middle name 'Warren' suggests Isabell had already separated from her husband.
Gender Male Also known as Victor Warren GILLINGHAM Residence 1907 2, Wickham Terrace, Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England - At the time his mother died.
(Although his mother's death certificate (GRO copy) gives the informant's name as J Warren, Son I believe this must be a mis-reading of V Warren.)
Residence 1911 The Ship Hotel, High Street, Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England - With Victor were his wife Kate and son, also his father and his Kate's paternal grandmother and sister Maud (link to Kate's relations found by research, not shown in the census entry). Maud was recorded as a 'servant'.
In 1901 the Hotel keeper had been Victor's wife's grandmother, and Kate and a son William had been working for her.
Residence 1924 12, The Parade, New Eltham, S.E.9, London, England Residence 1939 151, Earlshall Road, Woolwich, London, England - At the time of the register, with his wife.
Died 27 Feb 1953 Lambeth Reg Dist, London, England - GRO ref: WARREN, Victor q1 1953 aged 77 Lambeth RD 5c 1673
Actual date from Deceased Online website
Buried 5 Mar 1953 Eltham Cemetery, Greenwich, Kent, England - From Deceased Online website
Siblings 1 brother Half-siblings 4 half brothers and 1 half sister (family of William Charles GILLINGHAM and Isabell GOATHAM) Person ID I22525 All | England: Kent Group (in Go(a)tham One-Name Study), All in the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study , The descendants (and other halves) of George Goatham and Ann née Winch, The descendants (and other halves) of John Prior and Amy née Reynolds Last Modified 10 Oct 2022
Father Cubison Stickles WARREN, b. Abt 1844, Wye, Kent, England , d. 18 Oct 1924, May Tree Farm, Upper Hardres, Kent, England (Age ~ 80 years)
Other Partners: Matilda Harriett FARRINGTON m. 14 Mar 1866Relationship natural Mother Isabell GOATHAM, b. Abt 1837, Bredgar, Kent, England , d. 1 May 1907, 2, Wickham Terrace, Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England (Age ~ 70 years)
Other Partners: William Charles GILLINGHAM m. 9 Sep 1861Relationship natural and legitima Married Aft 1871 - Between 1871 and 1881 Isabel and her husband William Gillingham separated and by 1881 Isabel was living with Cubison Warren. The Christian names of Isabel's two children born in 1875 and 1881 plus both later using the surname Warren suggest that Cubison Warren was their father, and that suggests Isabel and Cubison may have been living together by 1875.
Cubison was also been married when he and Isabel got together. The 1871 census suggests that he had separated from his wife by then.
Cubison and Isabel appear never to have married, although while Isabel and her children were recorded with the surname Gillingham in 1881, by the 1891 they were using the surname Warren, with Cubison and Isabel appearing as husband as wife (as they did too in 1901).
Isabel would have been free to remarry after her husband died in 1904, and Cubison after his wife died in 1905, so there was a small window when they could legally have done so. Maybe they didn't know, maybe after 30 years of living as though married it just didn't seem worth the trouble.
Married? Not married or evidence to suggest they didn't marry Family ID F9258 Family Group Page | Family Chart
Father William Charles GILLINGHAM, b. Dec Q 1841, Broadmayne, Dorset, England , d. Mar Q 1904, Canterbury Reg Dist, Kent, England (Age ~ 63 years) Relationship legitimate son Mother Isabell GOATHAM, b. Abt 1837, Bredgar, Kent, England , d. 1 May 1907, 2, Wickham Terrace, Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England (Age ~ 70 years)
Other Partners: Cubison Stickles WARREN m. Aft 1871Relationship natural and legitima Banns of marriage From 25 Aug 1861 to 8 Sep 1861 Holy Cross Church, Bearsted, Kent, England - From banns register entry (image on FMP, viewed 20 Jun 2019)
Married 9 Sep 1861 Holy Cross Church, Bearsted, Kent, England - GRO ref: GILLINGHAM, William Charles to Goatham, Isabell or Isabel [indexed with both name spellings] q3 1861 Maidstone RD 2a 660
Details from PR entry (image on FMP, viewed 20 Jun 2019)
(I had date as 25 Aug from FamilySearch, but this it is now clear this was the first reading of the banns)
Separated Bef 1881 - William and Isabell were living separately at the time of the 1881 census (3/4 April) and not found together in subsequent censuses.
They appear to have separated between 1871 and 1881, probably by 1875 when Isabel seems to have had a son whose father was not William.
Married? Not married or evidence to suggest they didn't marry Family ID F322 Family Group Page | Family Chart
Family Kate CHANTLER, b. Abt 1874, London, England , d. 15 Nov 1949, Woolwich Reg Dist, Kent or London, England (Age ~ 75 years) Married Dec Q 1905 Sheppey Reg Dist, Sheppey, Kent, England - GRO ref: WARREN, Victor to CHANTLER, Kate q4 1905 Sheppey RD 2a 2131
The 1911 census shows that by that time Victor and Kate had had only the one child.
The FreeBMD index suggests there were no more from this marriage.
Children 1. William Charles WARREN, b. Mar Q 1906, Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England , d. Yes, date unknown Last Modified 17 Mar 2022 Family ID F9263 Family Group Page | Family Chart
- GRO ref: Gillingham, Victor Warren q4 1875 Milton RD 2a 757; GRO online index shows mother's maiden name as Goatham
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Event Map Click to hide Born - 31 Aug 1875 - 25, Dover Street, Sittingbourne, Kent, England Married - Dec Q 1905 - Sheppey Reg Dist, Sheppey, Kent, England Child - William Charles WARREN - Mar Q 1906 - Queenborough, Sheppey, Kent, England Died - 27 Feb 1953 - Lambeth Reg Dist, London, England = Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install) Pin Legend