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Edith MUSCHAMP

Edith MUSCHAMP

Female 1507 - Yes, date unknown    Has 8 ancestors but no descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name Edith MUSCHAMP 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born 16 Nov 1507 
    • Shown in Surrey vis and CTG as the daughter of William and his second wife Elizabeth SANDS.
      Allport (1841) citing an old pedigree in the British Museum records:
      "Edithe my doughter was borne the xvj daye of novemb in the xxiijth yere
      of kyng Henry the vijth And hir godmothers was my lady Carne & my lady
      Leght of Stokwell & hir godfather Willm Brothers of london Drap."
    Gender Female 
    Died Yes, date unknown 
    Siblings 3 brothers 
    Half-siblings 7 half brothers and 5 half sisters (family of William MUSCHAMP and Elizabeth HARMONDE
    Patriarch & Matriarch
    MUSCHAMP,   d. Yes, date unknown  (2 x Great Grandfather) 
    Elizabeth SANDS,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Mother) 
    Person ID I24824  All
    Last Modified 16 Jan 2018 

    Father William MUSCHAMP, Esq.,   b. 10 Aug 1480,   d. Abt 1542  (Age 61 years)
    Other Partners: Elizabeth HARMONDE;   Agnes SCOTT  m. Bef 1520  
    Mother Elizabeth SANDS,   d. Yes, date unknown
    Other Partners: Nicholas MYNS  
    Married Est 1506 
    • William was married more than once, and the Collectanea topographica et genealogica ('CTG') and The visitations of the county of Surrey ('Surrey vis') disagree about which wife was the mother of William, while a number of children are not assigned a mother by either source.
      Surrey vis. shows Elizabeth Sands as the mother of Raffe and John.

      A book "Collections Illustrative of the Geology, History, Antiquities, and Associations of Camberwell and the Neighbourhood", by Douglas Allport, published in 1841 agrees with the Surrey vis, saying on p.153
      "An old pedigree in the British Museum, gives this account ...
      "William Muschamp, of Camberwell, in co' Surr' maried to his 1 wife, the da: of Scott, but had no issue by her." By "the wydowe of Nynnes," his second wife, he had two sons, Rafe and John; and by his third lady, who is described as "da : of Harman," he had "four more, Richard, Edward, Thomas, and Xpofer, or Christopher, ..."

      I am following this for the moment, for the sons, and assigning the daughters according to where they fall within the sequence of sons. However the account misses 3 sons given in the list of births, two Williams and a Francis. Francis and the older William probably died in infancy; Francis and the younger William can be assigned a mother according to their birth dates, but the older William as well as one daughter Mary were born between the sons assigned in Allport. Mostly both of William's wifes Elizabeth had one child a year, at least for the first few years of marriage. However, between John (son of Elizabeth Sands) and the older William there was about a 3 year gap, and another similar gap between the older William and Mary. One of these is probably due to the gap between William being widowered and remarrying. It seems most likely that this was the second gap, the first may have been due to Elizabeth Sands' health declining. Since neither the older William nor Mary had children if I have assigned them wrongly it doesn't make anyone else's ancestors wrong. Since all sources show Elizabeth Sands, alias the 'widow Nynnes' as the mother of John I hope I am correct in showing her as my 12 x great grandmother.

      CTG shows Elizabeth's surname as Sandys, and mother of Raffe, Christopher, John, William and Edith.

      I hope there may be surviving wills or other documents for members of the wives families which may clarify this.
    Family ID F9623  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family Henry BERY,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married
    • Edith and her husband named in the Surrey vis
    Last Modified 21 Aug 2017 
    Family ID F9643  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart