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Joseph BATES
1886 - 1956 (69 years)
Has 2 ancestors and 9 descendants in this family tree.
Set As Default Person 
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Name Joseph BATES Relationship 
with Teresa Ann GOATHAM Born 20 May 1886 Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
- Place from the 1911 census (where shown as aged 25)
Date from the 1939 register
GRO ref: Bates, Joseph q2 1886 Liverpool RD 8b 51; GRO online index shows mother's maiden name as McCormick
Baptised 6 Jun 1886 St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England - From PR entry (image on Ancestry, viewed 18 May 2020)
Gender Male Occupation 1906 Labourer - At the time of his marriage
Died Mar Q 1956 Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England - In the 1939 register so in or after 1939
The only death registration in Liverpool of a Joseph Bates of the right age is:
GRO ref: Bates, Joseph q1 1956 aged 69 Liverpool N. RD 10d 356
Siblings5 brothers and 7 sisters Patriarch & Matriarch 
Francis BATES, b. Jun Q 1865, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, d. Dec Q 1920, West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England (Age ~ 55 years) (Father) 
Esther MCCORMICK, b. 28 Oct 1868, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, d. Jun Q 1939, Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England (Age 70 years) (Mother) Person ID I301095 All | All in the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study Last Modified 24 Nov 2023
Father Francis BATES, b. Jun Q 1865, Liverpool, Lancashire, England , d. Dec Q 1920, West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England (Age ~ 55 years) Mother Esther MCCORMICK, b. 28 Oct 1868, Liverpool, Lancashire, England , d. Jun Q 1939, Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England (Age 70 years) Married 17 Mar 1885 St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England - GRO ref: Bates, Francis to McCormick, Esther q1 1885 Liverpool RD 8b 187
Details from PR entry (image on FMP, viewed 21 May 2019)
Shows Francis Bates, Bachelor, Labourer, abode Vauxhall Rd., aged 21, father Paul Bates, Porter and Esther McCormick, aged 19, Spinster, no occupation given, abode Vauxhall Rd., father John McCormick, Boiler maker
Confusingly the 1911 census shows that Francis and Esther had had 10 children two of whom had died. Since there are 8 of their children with them at the time of that census it seemed it must be the other two, with them in earlier censuses, who had died, i.e. Joseph and Francis. However, there is a James who was born in a gap between the children shown in the censuses, for whom a death can be found; the mother's maiden name in his birth registration suggests he was a son of Francis and Esther (there is no evidence of other Bates - McCormick (or similar sounding) couples having children at this time).
There is also no death registration of a Joseph of the right age in Lancashire between 1901 and 1911, nor any sign of another Joseph son of Francis of the right age born or baptised in Liverpool, or in the censuses.
It seems clear, therefore, that Francis and Esther had had 11 children, of whom 2 had died, or that they were passing off one child as theirs - but at registration not just in the census; describing illegitimate grandchildren as children in the census is not uncommon, but registering them as such would be.
Family ID F300359 Family Group Page | Family Chart
Family Sarah Jane GOTHAM, b. 16 Apr 1886, West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England , d. Mar Q 1963, Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England (Age 76 years) Married 5 Jun 1906 St. Nicholas’ Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England - GRO ref: Gotham, Sarah Jane to Bates, Joseph q2 1906 Liverpool RD 8b 167
Local (Lancashire) BMD registration index: GOTHAM, Sarah J to BATES, Joseph 1906 Church: Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne; Registers at: Liverpool; Ref: 2053LP/92/190
Actual date from Joseph's WW1 papers
Details from PR entry (image on Ancestry, viewed 5 Dec 2014)
Sarah claimed her father was deceased when she married. I thought perhaps she was rejecting her father, who had been imprisoned for neglecting her and her brothers, but actually her address was given in 1908 as the same as the one in her father's burial record the year after she married. I think it more likely that she pretended he was dead to avoid needing his permission to marry, as she was still a minor.
Children8 children Last Modified 5 Aug 2021 Family ID F300358 Family Group Page | Family Chart
- Place from the 1911 census (where shown as aged 25)
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Born - 20 May 1886 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
Baptised - 6 Jun 1886 - St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
Child - Francis BATES - 9 Sep 1905 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
Married - 5 Jun 1906 - St. Nicholas’ Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
Child - Joseph BATES - 29 Mar 1908 - Liverpool Reg Dist, Lancashire, England Child - Sarah Jane BATES - 16 Sep 1910 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Child - Thomas James BATES - 13 Apr 1913 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Child - George BATES - Mar Q 1917 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Child - William BATES - 1 Oct 1919 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Child - Robert BATES - 24 Jul 1922 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
Died - Mar Q 1956 - Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England = Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install) Pin Legend 
