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Richard GOTHAM

Richard GOTHAM

Male Abt 1322 - Yes, date unknown    Has one ancestor but no descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name Richard GOTHAM 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born Abt 1322 
    • Said to be age '50 years and more' when he gave evidence in a proof of age in the year 46 Edw. III (mostly 1372).
    Gender Male 
    Property 2 Oct 1351  Gotham, Nottinghamshire, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Sale of messuage and land 
    • According to the proof of age for Edmund St. Andrew taken in 1372:
      "William son of John de Gotham, aged 44 years and more, agrees and says that on Sunday after Michaelmas, 25 Edward III, he purchased a messuage and a bovate of land in Gotham from Richard son of Richard de Gotham at Gotham, and Richard's charter bears witness."
    Residence Abt 1372  (probably) Gotham, Nottinghamshire, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Died Yes, date unknown 
    Patriarch & Matriarch
    Richard GOTHAM,   b. Est 1290,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Father) 
    Notes 
    • I thought with a place the size of Gotham people with the surname (de) Gotham would be those who had come from there, but weren't living there. However, the proof of age for Edmund brother and heir of John de Sancto Andrea, taken on 7 Dec 1372, it seems there may have been two living there: this one (Richard son of Richard) and also John son of William.
      It was not the name of the local Lords of the Manor - they were the St. Andrew (or de Sancto Andrea) family.
      Maybe an earlier generation had moved away, acquire the byname de Gotham, it had become a surname and then by chance (not too unlikely as most did not move far) a descendant had moved back into the parish of Gotham. They may even have inherited property there from a relation who left no descendants.
      However, I think there is another possibility: could they have been a family or families who did not yet have a surname? I have yet to see the document, and am basing my understanding on the (detailed) abstract here. The Discovery entry shows the document is in English, not Latin, so assuming this is true the difference between 'of Gotham' and 'de Gotham' appears significant. If they had not had a surname, wouldn't they have been described with Christian name only followed by 'of Gotham', just as others were described as 'of Gotham'? The sale of a house and land referred to in the deposition of William son of John de Gotham by Richard son of Richard de Gotham to William, suggests the two were closely related - a dispropionate number of transactions seem to have been within a family, and it would be a coincidence that it it involved two 'de Gotham' families by chance or two who lacked a surname. On the other hand, everyone else has their place of abode given after their surname; why was this not included for the 'de Gothams'?
      Further evidence of 'de Gothams' in Gotham is in the deposition of 'Robert Hudson of Boney [Bunny]'. The birth in question (Edmund de St. Andrew's) is said to have been on the Sunday after the Nativity of the Virgin Mary, 25 Edward III (11 Sep 1351). Robert Hudson claims there was another birth in the parish that day, that of Joan, daughter of Walter and Isabel de Gotham; he (Robert) was with Walter that day.

      There was clearly a bit of a game being played when it comes to proofs of age, which often give a list of a whole number of relatively uncommon events taking place amongst a small number of people on the very same day. This one seems more believable than many, with a number of events being claimed to be on a date fairly close to the birth in question, and I guess you might remember that the Lord of the Manor had a son born when your son was a few years old or a few weeks before you married, etc.
      I think it reasonable to suppose that Walter, Isabel and Joan de Gotham were real people - even if Joan's exact date of birth should be regarded as uncertain.

      I have yet to see the C14th lay subsidies for Nottinghamshire; it will be interesting to see where they show Gothams - though at they only record those required to pay the subsidy, generally thought to be about a third of householders, they will not necessarily give a good picture of where Gothams were.
    Person ID I307304  All
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2023 

    Father Richard GOTHAM,   b. Est 1290,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Family ID F2686  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family Margaret DE BRADEMERE,   b. Abt 1324,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married 14 Nov 1351  The Chapel, Bradmore, Nottinghamshire, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • According to the proof of age for Edmund St. Andrew taken in 1372:
      "Richard son of Richard de Gotham, aged 50 years and more, agrees and says that on Monday after St. Martin, 25 Edward III [14 Nov 1351], he took to wife Margaret daughter of John de Brademere at Bradmere."

      Now a late 19th century building is attached to the remains of a small medieval church, without a known dedication, which was originally a chapel of ease in the Parish of Bunny.
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2023 
    Family ID F302249  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart